Lane splitting?

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brandonsmash

I have worked extensively with the AZ Senate on this project.


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BestAtempt

First of all, thanks for you efforts. Why not attach the helmets to the filtering laws, make it so lane filtering is only legal while wearing a helmet. Instead of looking at them as opposing forces the filtering could be seen as the vessel to encourage helmets and future helmet laws. It seems the conversation


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TechnoTrain

So using helmets = safer


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eitauisunity

I'm actually for not requiring a helmet. From my understanding, the biggest plus for not having one is that a lot of riders go down from heat exhaustion from wearing one. Accidents like that are pretty routine out here.


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WeWooWeWooWeWooWe

I can't really speak for the ability on bike motorist being safer but I know az drivers, and they will probably kill a couple bikers before things start to get normalized.


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BestAtempt

I think the end result is safer so I would hate to stay in a less safe environment because of an adjustment period. Especially because I feel like it is actually just a delay, I also don’t think the adjustment period would not be as long or as bad as people think imho.


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Tkadikes

You know the little double stripe between the HOV and left lanes? That should be the bike lane.


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CoolingVent

It looks dangerous but all the actual data on it seems to support it being safer and it reduces traffic.


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BestAtempt

I appreciate someone who looks past the appearance to the data


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fordprobegt

i have no issues with it. it just means bikes don’t take up space in traffic, leaving more room for cars. it’s also safer for bikers, a win win.


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ohkatey

I lived in California for 3 years and as a driver, I hated lane splitting. It always felt so unsafe—I’d be in a HOV lane and suddenly a cyclist goes zooming by at 60+ miles an hour when everyone else is going 20 and I was always so terrified for them. They’re not supposed to go that much faster than traffic, but maybe 1/50 follow that rule.


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pinapplumps

It's illegal. Sooooo


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BestAtempt

So was weed not long ago, laws change. My question was about you opinion on changing the legality of it.


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BestAtempt

Personally I don’t do it right now but there has been attempts to legalize it here. It will eventually be legal so I am just curious.


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GD_M

With the amount of ladders, toolboxes, couches and other debris that end up where a motorcyclist will lane split it doesn't seem reasonable in this state


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BestAtempt

What about filtering up in stopped traffic?


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IllSeaworthiness43

Non-motorcyclist:


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BestAtempt

I appreciate your answer and your opinion, thank you. Maybe I can give you a different perspective to think about with splitting, and I will also only be talking about responsable riders as assholes will be assholes and some will abuse any opportunity not matter what vehicle they are in.


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azscram9

Life-long rider here, and I’ve been bike only for the past 9 years. I’m all for lane splitting and filtering. It’s not always appropriate, and like anything else, can be abused, however it should be legal. As has been shown elsewhere, it’s often the safest course of action. Even though it’s not currently legal, I will filter on the freeway when it has come to a stop or stop and go at slow speeds. This goes double in the summer when temperatures are high, and both bikes and rider risk over heating on top of getting rear ended by distracted drivers.


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Sparky_PoptheTrunk

No thank you.


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autumnnoel95

It always looks stupid and dangerous tbh this is as a nonrider though


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BestAtempt

Is that about filtering and splitting?


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802bikeguy_com

If I was a motorcyclist I'd be doing it all the time or until I got caught. You can erase one ticket per year with traffic school. I wouldn't ride a motorcycle in the valley through.


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BestAtempt

So I’m guessing it doesn’t bother you when others do it, do you think it should be legal?


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MotoRob29

I don't think it will be legalized here anytime soon, our legislature doesn't seem like they really want to do anything positive right now. I don't think we really have enough riders commuting on motorcycles to have filtering really bring a positive affect on congestion.


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BestAtempt

I agree it probably won’t happen soon, one can dream though. It is not just about congestion, it is also safer for the rider when done inside of reasonable circumstances.


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drunkbackpacker

I feel like more often than not motorcycles riders drive poorly. Whether they’re splitting traffic, weaving, etc. Your blind spot will be clear and the next second it’s not. Speeding too. They might be far away so you pull in front but then before you know it you’re cutting them off because they’re speeding.


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MotoRob29

Some of the speeding is done to move through traffic in order to stay out of blind spots and cars that just randomly do whatever. The excessive speeding isn't but I've seen plenty of cars going 60+ on 45mph streets. !


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JackOvall_MasterNun

I know this is the common take, but I guarantee you car drivers are worse. A lot less motorcyclists on their phones, a lot fewer teens and brand new drivers. Yes there are plenty of aggressive/asshole motorcyclists, but alot of that is a defense mechanism using a bikes better maneuverability (and some of it is just squids being squids).


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BestAtempt

So are you saying you think it would be abused? How do you feel about filtering up at a stoplight?


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WOOKIExCOOKIES

Illegal and dangerous.


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BestAtempt

Splitting and filtering?


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pwilly42

Personally I think it's a bad idea.


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BestAtempt

Do you think it’s inherently dangerous or dangerous because people don’t expect it?


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_WirthsLaw_

Car drivers here may be a bit too wild


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It should be legal but the rationale is motorcyclists will fuck it up and wipe out on tow mirror or somebody will open their door to dump out their ashtray or something and slow up traffic even more.


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BestAtempt

Do you ride, and do you think it is safer than it being illegal?


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TechnoTrain

Enforcing HOV restrictions would make splitting on the freeway moot. Every other vehicle during restricted hours is a single person in a car. If we could make that happen it would be a huge step forward.


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BestAtempt

I agree that would help a lot, but I don’t think it negates the lane filtering conversation. Filtering can also be very beneficial in the city, a lot of rear end accidents happen at stoplights.


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Carnivore007

I ride, you can call it aggressive, I don’t hang in traffic. I put myself in your mirrors but if you are changing lanes in a car or truck it’s your responsibility to check blind spots. The ones who say lane splitting is dangerous are not riding motorcycles. They have no idea they only judge it that way. I make it a point to be seen! My Ducati is bright yellow, my helmet is yellow, I use every part of the road if I have to. I’m never distracted when riding, I check my blind spot. Over 50-60k miles never been down. Yes I might be crazy but I’m not stupid. It should be legal, and should have a helmet law! Riding in shorts, flip flops, no helmet, no gloves, no wonder!


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d4rkwing

It may be the car’s responsibility to check blind spots but the motorcyclist should still care about their own safety. It doesn’t really matter whose fault it is if you end up dead.


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Oxygen95

It's illegal in AZ. If a motorcycle lane split to the front at red light, but actually went fast when it changed I wouldn't care. It pisses me off when bicyclists do it though because they cause everyone behind them to go slow, and if they want to ride on the road they need to respect the rules of the road. Overall though, I'd like it to stay illegal.


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xMeanMachinex

Make it legal and riders can choose to do it or not to do it. Let people choose their own level of comfort.