By - speckz
So I should start seeing less stalker-like, personalized ads?
Get ready for weight loss and vitamin ads now.
Now you'll see the same volume of ads but for products or services you would never want or find useful
Plus it really wears away at your soul. Eating the same food, living in the same space, doing the same thing, every, single, day.
Sort of, it will still be related to the page you are viewing, it just won't follow you about like a bad hangover.
I bought a nice little vault for valuables from a store. At no point did I say the name of the product. I paid in cash. No one in the store made mention of the name or brand. So I KNOW the microphone didn’t pick anything up. The store I bought it from primarily sells things that aren’t this product, it just happened to have some in stock.
Facebook is still gonna listen in on your convos if you leave microphone access on.
Funny, but my ad blocker blocked the link in the post.
Do you have an adblocker recommendation for iOS 14?
Which as blocker do you use? Thanks.
god i love anything that fucks with facebook
This won’t fuck with Facebook as much as everyone else. They can still track your behavior on their platform which is even more valuable now that people have less ways of being tracked. Of course you could not use Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram.
I’m doing my part
You're gonna love my ex.
Prediction: “You are missing out on some search results. To get the full Facebook/Instagram/SnapChat/Google experience, please select “Allow Tracking”.”
Im working with Facebook ads for recruiting purposes and for us, almost nothing changes.
The pop ups are quite amusing “this is an integral part of the app and allows us to offer you better ads” 😂
Which sadly is kinda true, the integral part of the app at least. I’m a software developer at a mobile game company and we had to put a lot of focus on getting that pop up right since ads are our entire business model essentially (We don’t have any IAPs except for the option to turn off ads).
Wait that's an option? I'm in. So that brings it up to ... like ...
two thirds plus 1
It’s in the iOS 14.5 update that came out last night.
I think it’s only in the beta builds at the moment. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
As a small business owner, this is not great (before downvoting, please read on). Facebooks algorithm that started being implemented right after the Instagram chronological timeline was switched to what it is today makes it almost impossible to be seen by new users without paying for ads. Its now pay to play and it costs an arm and a leg to advertise on their platforms. Small ecomm businesses have to rely on the ad tracking - Facebook forced it onto small businesses.
It's interesting, this is an attempt to fuck with small businesses. Go oligarchy!
This is a great development, even more for those disgusted with what Facebook does.
Facebook has shadow profiles on people who have never used a single Facebook service. All it takes is sucking up some Facebook users contact list because they don't know better
I haven’t gotten a pop up yet asking to track, is there something I need to turn on in settings?
What this overlooks is the fact that most many people when asked would rather pay for a private, ad-free experience on Facebook. Facebook has rejected this model because they would rather monetize unethically and against the will of consumers under the guise of "providing free services". You know and I know and we all know that the price of selling your privacy for likes is actually a very high cost.
Facebook allows advertisers to target children interested in smoking, alcohol and weight loss
"If opt-out rates are high and IDFAs become scarce, app developers and publishers are expecting revenues to be hit in the short term."
How about just giving people a setting to turn off all ad tracking?
Glad that Apple finally gave us the option to opt out. Let the companies like Facebook pay people a share of the revenue to opt in and then they might have more people be OK with being the product!
I swear I've had the blanket option to opt out of all tracking for years on my iPhone.
Thank You Apple for "giving" us the possibility. But mostly thank you to the politicians demanding privacy in Europe and not allowing selling phones with targeted apps and demand the right to privacy. And thank you Apple for the new papers we can buy with the new targeting data you can provide on those opting out, we need that in our comparison with how the same people react on android. Next thing is to find the pattern where we lie to everyone and earn double. I do not trust these guys one minute.
You're aware this is also a ploy by Apple to force developers to their will, and they will sell subscription services via their app store which Apple take 30% on. Also Apple still tracks you and uses that data to make money.
So happy that Apple is moving in this direction and going against basically all the other major tech players in protecting our privacy and choice. They really made me a loyal customer with this approach.
Or they’re cynically squeezing out third parties so they can be proprietors and beneficiaries of that data.
Apple doesn't give two shits about your privacy or choices. They're just forcing a shift in data collection techniques into their hands instead of google/fb. Google is also working on a version of this that I think will give them even more control over android devices.
This feature has existed on Android since at least 2016 but okay.
wait so purposefully bricking old phones to force upgrades was ok but sending you targeted ads isnt?
This is a hugely anti-competitive move and in the future you might not have a choice to leave Apple
Yeah, Apple is doing this so they can create their own ad ecosystem. They’re already doing it in the App Store, allowing apps to advertise above all other searches.
The irony of the whole thing is Apple is still tracking you even if you opt out.
AND this updates lets me open my phone with a mask on? Hold on, getting off Reddit to update ASAP
Yes...and it WORKS (but you need an Apple Watch)
It lets anybody unlock your phone with a mask on, as long as they're close to you and your watch is unlocked. Apple has done a poor job explaining this, if they have at all (probably purposefully).
I might get an iphone because of this.
I'm sort of thinking the same thing. I have a lot of respect for apple on this topic, Google on the other hand wouldnt dare move in this direction. They are probably the biggest offender aside from Facebook.
That was the reason I switched. Over time, I’ve come to accept less customisability for a device that is more private (than a google OS device anyway), lasts for longer (my android phones turned into lag hell in about 18 months of purchase), and just works relatively flawlessly.
As someone who switched from Android.... watch out for the accessories, that is where they get you.
You can adblock on a droid too.
Then the Advertisers need to give the user something for the revenue... You want to spam me with ads watch my habits then I want 25 cents from every ad you send me!
25 cents per ad? Bruh advertisers pay like 0.00025 to serve that ad lol. It's scale that matters. I get your sentiment though.
I am actually working on an ad network that will work towards mutually beneficial partnerships instead of data selling.
We do. We used to try and only advertise things to people who may actually benefit or at least have interest in the goods or services advertised. Now you'll still get the same volume of ads but never see anything that makes sense for you again.
It's almost like we're all secretly slaves.
I also hate how companies try to influence your decision to accept all cookies with darker choice boxes, ambiguously worded choices next to check marks, etc. sad to say but that needs to be regulated too.
This one feature alone, will probably make me buy an iPhone next.
Each and every damaging hit to spammers (all advertisement is spam) is good.
Have we reached peak ad? For so long now it's been speculated that ad funded everything was a bubble. Perhaps we'll have to start paying for stuff.
This is great. The ads are legit creepy as fuck and targets my whole household
Yassssss. Next step: ending ads. Go Apple go.
Just like there’s a weekly report on how many hrs I’ve used my iOS devices, I’d like to get a weekly/monthly report with a list of all companies who track me — including suggestions for counter measures.
i updated to the new ios but i literally did not get any tracking options to turn off or on??
It's in settings. Go into "privacy" and it's the second option down. If you turn it off completely it's an automatic "no" for any app that asks.
I’m going to opt out so extremely fucking hard that red bull is gonna sponsor me.
I already ran the update to 14.5 just for this feature.
Make that 2/3 and 1.
How do I turn this feature on? I already updated to iOS 14.5.
Yea it’s not very user friendly. All the news I heard about this made a huge deal about Facebook and Google being upset about this. As far as I can tell, nothing changed. So I went to the tracking settings and all it says is allow apps to ask you to track. The default is no. I assumed I had to turn that on in order to make this work by way of them asking and I say yes or no. Well again, nothing changed. Apparently if you leave it off by default it will say “no” when the apps ask. But how do we know they are asking?? As far as I can tell this is just a marketing ploy to get users to think Apple os taking privacy seriously.
Good. Google, Facebook, and Reddit can suck it.
Good. Let's kill facebook once and for all.
I like how it’s stated as if that’s surprising or detrimental haha
Wow. Its as if we don't want to be tracked and have a right not to be. The moment we can ban advertisers from tracking us and our data, the better our world will be. The fact that we have many companies willing to pay for our social media information to advertise to us and manipulate us is disgusting imo. Being advertised to should be a choice. If I can have a no solicitation sign on my door, why can't I have one for my social media?
Thanks Apple <3
I mean if they offered you something other than use of the site for allowing it then I bet many would change their mind. Points to redeem free stuff or discounts. Profit share that shit give me a small percentage of the price you sold my data for then maybe I’d let you.
That's one of the ideas behind the Brave browser
Yet another reason why I’m glad I have iOS devices, they take my security and privacy seriously, rather than marketing me
The other third likes paying for credit card companies and banks to pass the costs of ID theft on to us. If you don't block trackers you are begging for your cc numbers to be stolen. Did you think for a second those unauthorized purchases were 'forgiven' by Visa? HAHAHAHA you sweet summer child. Visa just jacks up fees to merchants to cover those. They don't even give a shit how much is stolen by hackers, they just pass the costs down in fees, and merchants raise their prices to all of us accordingly. I don't want to pay for your hacked credit card, so block the trackers FFS
If apple can really do this I will buy an iPhone for the first time. I've never owned an apple product but this is what will get me to turn.
There’s no “if” about it anymore, it is already happening ;)
What convinced me to get one was when they added the little green dot above the signal icon if your camera is on, and orange for microphone.
ITT people who don't understand the different between ad blocking and ad TRACKER blocking.
Yeah they're all still going to get blasted with ads.. Although I can see some appeal in not getting targetted ads
Good thing I moved to iPhone.
Can you imagine if Facebook and Instagram just leave apple lmfao
I’m okay with that. See ya later.
That’s it? I figured it would be more
The other third don't understand what that means.
“Ask not to track”? How about: “Deny tracking”
Apparently they legally cannot say “Deny tracking” because they cannot assure that ALL tracking will be stopped. Only app-to-app tracking using your iPhone’s ID number will be blocked, and even that can be bypassed once you build a userbase big enough.
Updated a couple days ago and disabled ad tracking immediately after.
Updated iOS and blocked everything I could yesterday. My pihole already does all the heavy lifting on my network though, blocking ads, tracking, malicious websites, etc.
Now it's Googles move... never mind forgot they are an advertisement company.
2/3rds seems like a low estimate.
Downloading the update now. lol blocking everything I can
Rookie numbers, everyone should.
We're about to see an evolution in ad tech.
Wow, that’s awesome!
When can we expect this feature to be available like they displayed it in the ad?
Pretty shocked that 1/3rd would actively choose to be ad tracked.
Who is the person who WANTS to be tracked by ads?
Two-thirds of iPhone users will read the alert and chose to block ad targeting… FTFY
2/3rds seems low I’m sure it will јump when more and more apps are revealed to be tracking with out permissions
Not an iPhone user but my android is getting creeping af too. Heard a remix on a roblox game on my xbox, next day is suggested by Spotify. Watching a YouTube video about some obscure fruit or celebrity, gf goes to ask Google a question and Google autocompletes it. It's point thing to track data users have entered into their phones, but tracking across apps and devices and straight up just listening all the time makes me want to go buy a flip phone.
Yes, talk to your older friends and family. Offer your assistance. Fuck Facebook 👏👩🦳
I’m gonna give a dirty look to the extra third.
Apps will just start requiring access before the users can see content.
It’s about damn time. Thanks, Apple.
If companies want my data, there should be a way to opt-in; however I want to be paid for it.
It is the default. You have to opp in.
The default is to be given a choice, but that choice has no inherent default on it.
Two-thirds will block ad tracking and one-third won’t know what ad tracking is and will just allow it. Pretty sure not a single person wants ad tracking on if they actually know what it is and how it’s being used.
The only thing that sucks is that this doesn’t auto apply to existing apps on your phone. So you have to manually change settings for every single one.
There is a switch in the settings called: „Allow Apps to request tracking“ if you turn that off Apps are not even allowed to ask and you don’t need to do it for every single one.
There is a global setting to disable tracking for all apps :)
100% yes I will!
In my Privacy settings, “Allow Apps to request to track” was off by default.
“Two thirds” does not need a hyphen in that context, MacRumors.
That actually makes a lot of sense! I’ve never had it explained to me like that, I have a big technical report due next week and this will help a lot.
People have a major lack of understanding of the reality of how this will impact people, caused mostly by the fear/hate mongering built by the media to garner clicks. A media which thrives on clicks for ad revenue. An ad revenue which has declined significantly alongside the rise of social media ads (and other factors).
If that is how the data is used then it shouldn’t be a significant loss. Can you offer a better start to solving the problem of harvesting user data? Or do you not think it is a problem?
I never see ads and I'm glad I don't, I don't need people to tell me what I want to buy, I don't like consumerism.
DUH BUT APPLE OVERPRICED BAD RITE REDIT MOMENT?
Ooooh thanks for reminding me! ADS BLOCKED!
You’ll still get ads, just less relevant ones.
Til: one third of iPhone users are dangerous psychopaths
Til: I am a dangerous psychopath
Won’t do it. It’s not bothering me and content providers gotta earn money somehow.
Is Apple's end game to greatly reduce "free" apps with advertising. Make apps cost more money. Basically diverting dollars from advertisers into its pocket.
Nothing wrong with that if it gets rid of all the shit apps.
I might be completely wrong, but I thought this just blocked personalised/targeted ads and not ads altogether.
The other third just does not know it's an option yet?
2/3rds plus one. I’m in 100%. This is what I want from Apple. Can they fix FB too.
We're about to enter late 90s ad era. Gonna be wild.
I’ll be opting out 100%...only way I’d consider otherwise is if these dirty ad companies generating revenue off “my back” and my data would be for them to share the money they make off me in a VERY MEANINGFUL WAY IE 50% AT LEAST
Time for a flip phone.
Lmao yea right. It's apple, they're gonna do whatever makes them the most money.
I would block it on day one. absolutely no one cares about targeted ads. No one opens instagram expecting to see ads. When I open the app, I want to see what people are posting, and I don't care if an ad is showing something I have interest or not. If I want to buy something, I open my shopping apps.
For me an apple hater. I am now considering an apple iphone.
Welcome to the free world iOS users
As a business owner who relies on Facebook ads for majority of my revenue stream this is a huge loss.
Question: Does people know what and how Facebook and Google tracks you, and what they do with tracking information?
I'd rather pay a fair monthly fee. If I could be sure that FB, in exchange for 4.99 a month or something, was not tracking me, was not reselling my info, was not compiling metrics on me, ... was just giving me a platform to talk to friends, I might well pay up for that.
Apple still has the info..they dont sell it directly, but advertisers pay to make use of what Apple know about you.
This is a useless “make me feel better but doesn’t actually do anything” equivalent of the TSA security theater. Setting the option “allow apps to request to track me” to “off” still allows “apps that don’t ask may still try to track your activity”.
If that's the case, then why should Facebook went up and arm about it? Apple already announced that in order for apps to stay in the app store they need to comply with the new policy and update their apps. If not, it'll get kicked out.
Love how nobody is talking about Apples own ad services they're developing which likely won't be covered under this ad tracking. I'll be surprised if there's not some sort of class action on Apple about this for stopped small businesses advertising and monopolising advertising on their own platform
Doubt that would happen as google would end up in the court case too.
Apple on the frontlines, fuck yeah! GOOD LUCK ever getting this shit on an Android lol
You can’t block Facebook from tracking your likes and what you look at though.
You can if you deleted your account 6 months ago because you're done with all the nonsense.
Guess I'm leaving Android
I have a PC, an iPhone and an iPad. When this is a done deal, I’ll replace my PC by a MAC.
This is about ad tracking, not blocking ads. Which I am sure they will work around it either with Apple or file lawsuits/lobbying to get your info.
For the first time I am honestly considering switching from Android to iOS. I already use an iPhone as a work phone and this has me even closer to the edge for my personal device.
Hah in yo face zuck
Just did it on every app on my phone
So sad , right?
What would be one's justification to disable ad blocking?
I don’t see why anyone would actually want to be tracked. I think it will be more than 2 thirds
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Tell them to get the purple iphone it's safe
The setting is still grayed out for me and many others :(
Am I the only one who opts-in for tracking so that the ads I see have a hope of being interesting ?
This is why you have jailbreak on your phone for no ads and better optimal experience.
Hell I want to switch to an iPhone for this feature.
Weird, looks like people care about privacy after all...
And the other third don’t know it’s an option
Is that the actual alert that pops up or just a render? “Ask top to track” seems like bad wording