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They say all gay people are going to hell and then are mad when a gay man portrays himself him hell. Huh???
I think the real crime here in their heads is that he's vibing in hell and not suffering to eternal damnation or whatever it was the gays deserve.
If there’s anything I know about it teens, it’s that they love to be told that their decisions are wrong and that they should feel bad about it.
They CRAVE order!!!
And what do you MEAN they don’t like being told that they’re a terrible person and will burn in hell for something out of their control? Who WOULDNT want to follow someone like that?
Finally, someone truly in tune with the youth of today.
They love being told things that they can't control are wrong and they should feel bad about that even more
Fighting against the religious establishment for people born into conservative christian households that half disown you because you choose to educate yourself is something that comes natural and is satisfying to get a reaction to l when they show themselves shocked at the idea that you decided you didn't want to live life under the rule of fear and of going to 'hell' in order to live a 'good' life.
This applies to literally anything with a heartbeat. Thats why christians often resorted to swords and guns when they couldnt insult them into being followers.
Being a queer teen in a conservative upbringing, my favourite answer was:
I'm assuming you're referring to the decision to worship Satan, not implying that being LGBTQ is a choice...
This is a fair request; and I promise I will not judge any person only as a "teenager". If you will constantly remind yourself that some of my generation judges people by their race, their belief or the color of their skin and that this is no more right than saying all teenagers are drunken dope addicts or glue sniffers.
You should begin by saying it is your way or eternal damnation and escalating from there. That's how an omniscient being would approach the situation.
Or loving god wouldn’t hate them if they got over this phase of being gay!
So when I was like 12 I went to CCD (
After reading a lot of FB, Twitter and videos from hardcore Christians this is the logic I’ve summarized
There’s no hate like religious love.
And these are the same people who claim to be morally superior.
My dad and stepmom are very active in their church and I married a Jewish person. It's crazy that my stepmom's brother who was in prison for 15 years for molesting his step-daughter will go to heaven because he found Jesus in prison, but my wife who lives a good life won't...You can't sell me on your religion if that scenario benefits the molestor.
Christianity really makes you feel like the universe was created by a loving and just god.
Whaaat, I went to CCD for years and had no idea that’s what it stood for. I guess i thought one of the Cs stood for catechism. But yes, I “learned” similar things in CCD. I also went to Lutheran confirmation classes where we actually learned about the Bible so I taught my CCD class and teacher a few things sometimes. All that extra religious education has led to me deciding religion is not for me. Lol
Catholic Child Detention
My mother committed suicide and one of the last searches in her phones history was if Christianity sent people who committed suicide to hell. When her google search came out with no, her next searches were methods of suicide that are easy. Christianity enabled my mothers suicide.
This is why I fucking hate mainstream Christianity and why I don’t go to church anymore. Love. Thy. Neighbor. Period, end of commandment. It’s not “only love them if they have sex the way you want them to.” For fuck’s sake.
That is so upsetting. I’m atheist now but went to catholic school and had to take multiple CCD type classes. It actually lays out in the catechism (basically a Question and Answer style rule book) that ANY kind of sex where either it’s impossible to get pregnant, or pregnancy is being actively prevented (condoms, birth control,etc.) is all the SAME level of “sin”. Now some Catholics really don’t ever use birth control and just have a shit ton of kids, but I’m gonna venture a guess that most have used birth control at some point.
Shunned for being gay? Yikes. Sounds like a group of people who don't understand the bible
I’m so sorry that you had to deal with that Christian mind control camp. I grew up in a non-religious family yet I did have a best friend when I was like 8, whose family was Pentecostal and one of her brothers was gay. She sat around all confused and trying to justify things when her parents, unseemingly to her, could abandon the brother she had grown up with all of her life that we laughed with, and who was hilarious and an awesome man.
Wow, that certainly sounds like a healthy family dynamic
That's fucking disgusting and it's shit like that that first made me question my faith. I also went to CCD and was today years old when I found out what the abbreviation stood for..so thanks I guess?
Ironically if there actually is a Hell and Jesus is right, the people who condemn gay people will be the ones in hell.
They only love you if you give them 15% of your paycheck.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to be trapped with those people for all eternity?
My face is contorted into what can best be described as Tragic Emoji
I always argued with my CCD teacher, every chance I got, because I did not want to be there and at an early age my dad would tell me he couldn’t go to church because he didn’t “fit” in the pews.
I grew up mormon, and my best friend had an uncle who was super punk, gay, and not really religious at all. he was the awesome uncle. he commit suicide when she was young. her family was super religious as well, so when she talked about him (she LOVED him) she made a point to say how it’s too bad she’ll never see him again even in heaven, how he could never be forgiven for taking his own life, etc. at the time I was like aw man that does suck, but now I’m like holy shit wtf who would say that, let alone to a child. I’m not at all religious anymore and don’t believe in an afterlife, but how could you tell your own daughter that her favorite family member is burning in hell, and she could never see him again just because he was suffering so much he commit suicide. religion really fucks people up.
My mother in law committed suicide. At the funeral someone actually told my wife that it was a shame she was in hell now. I had to remove my wife from the situation because she was about half a second from attacking.
This makes me so sad. I’m a Christian, and I’m constantly disappointed in the doctrines of anti-LGBTQ Christians. If you think about it, when people say “I hate gays because homosexuality is a sin,” they’re just being hypocrites. These are the people with a religion founded on the belief in universal sin, hating on a certain group because they want to, not because of their beliefs. If anyone believes that gays should burn in hell, then they are damning themselves as well. I’m disappointed in my fellow Christians.
Aha! Proof that the gays are not people!
No no, you see, he throws you in hell BECAUSE he loves you.
The justification I often hear is that "God doesn't hate them, he hates their sin." The problem is, the "sin" is an irrevocable part of who they are, Karen. You're calling an innate aspect of someone's character - what makes them who they are as an individual - a fucking sin.
Sums it up. God'll send you to hell for even less than that. Which is why I decided as a teen that god didn't deserve to be worshipped. Like, he's supposed to be this loving father that cares for us but will let you burn forever for nothing in a judgement system that he created in the first place. Then later I realizing he probably just didn't exist at all.
Christians refers to a massive group of people. Many have different opinions and beliefs. I'm not part of a christian organization anymore, but some of my family is and they are not only open, but support lgbt and try to be part of a change in the traditional churchs view. I understand the reason Christianity gets shit on so much, but most are actually quite decent human beings that try to do good things. I think that is one of the benefits of organized religion. It gives people meaning and reasoning to be good people. Of course, like everything in the world, this doesnt apply to everyone because there will always be exceptions
They're not worshipping Satan. They just want some
I don't get what they're so angry about, I assume all Nike shoes contain at least one drop of blood. They're the whole reason I learned about child labour when I was 6.
Lil Nas X straight up trolling people who are ""morally"" outraged over that shit. What an absolute boss.
South Dakota's governor's tweeting about sneakers for Moron Points while that sparse as fuck state has the COVID deaths per capita of Louisiana and Connecticut.
Man they already sold out and are probably getting gouged lol. I want pentagram shoes
Okay that's pretty funny
His shoes say “and I saw satan falling like lightning from heaven”
There is little that astounds me more than the fact that these people getting up in arms about how “disrespectful to religion” Lil Nas X has been go completely silent the second you remind them that the religion they’re defending has been staunchly against gay people for god knows how long.
Which is the entire point of what he’s doing. They’re proving him right.
Or that they would be the first to start espousing very discriminatory opinions about Islam, a religion that is basically the same but just believes that a different guy talked to God.
They aren’t completely pro black people either. Even if their Bible never mentions that.
People have this really weird idea that religion is somehow sacrosanct, when really it's just an opinion.
Not just against,but they killed,tortured,put gay people in jail,shamed them for centuries,and then they expect gay people to be respectful about their religion??What a joke,if they want gay people to be respectful to their religion,they need first to treat them with respect.
American religio's claiming Satan worshipping is everywhere completely reminds me of witch hunts. Never mind the fact that the devil was a relatively recent and traceable addition to religion. Never mind any facts. Just interfere in other people's lives with your negative judgements (very Christian) and label anybody, including children, Satan worshippers like that wouldn't be a better option over following their own ideology of hate.
It absolutely was a witch hunt in America in the 80s - look up “Satanic panic.” Innocent people went to prison over that shit.
There are very few people in the world who believe in an actual being named Satan and also worship him/it. I'd say a good portion of people who actually claim to worship Satan are just tongue-in-cheek trolling Christians.
Yet only they actually believe in the Satan that they invented. It’s incredible
One of the things I hate most about Christianity is how it hates fun and seems to want to ruin everyone’s good time.
That's what gets me about this whole "controversy" with LNX, do none of these people understand jokes or satire or art at all? They think he's literally a satanist and encouraging other people to worship Satan just cuz he used satanic imagry in a music video. All of his social comment sections are full of unironic "praying you'll return to the lord 🙏" and shit like that, it's hilarious.
My new trick is going to be call every Christian that blames absolutely everything on the Devil a fucking dualist Gnostic heretic for daring to insinuate the Devil can challenge God. After all, if the Devil makes you gay, he's clearly got the power to rival God at creation.
I don't know if this is 100% true but I remember watching a true crime documentary on a kid who killed someone because of Satanism. And the detective basically said that this image we have of Satanist who basically go into the woods wearing dark cloacks, doing rituals, and making blood sacrifices don't actually exist. That whole thing was created by Christians trying to steer kids away from Satanism. And ironically it ended up turning some kids who thought that sounded cool into actual Satanist
Isn't Hell and Eternal Damnation a relatively recent addition as well? Maybe I've got that mixed up.
Christianity: Where just existing is a sin.
A true Christian forgives, these idiots don't
Everything is according to gods plan. Except enjoying genitals similar to your own.
I think Baphomet is pretty cool. How on earth could you be against rational balanced equality and prefer blind dogmatic prejudiced injustice?
Baphomet was a fabricated deity based on Mohammad & Jesus concocted by the Knights Templar after they absorbed some middle eastern philosophy during their stay. I still don't quite understand how it became what it is now.
That's... a very good question.
The Minotaurs are pretty dope too ngl.
THE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS OF THE SATANIC TEMPLE
Y’know? These sound nice. I agree with these.
If only these tenants were spread by Europeans around the world
Fun fact: No one believes in literal Satan except Christians. It's a Christian name for a common devil trope.
I wouldn't say no one...but it's pretty rare.
jews also believe in the satan, but they believe different things about him. in jewish tradition, he is more like god's district attorney.
Fuck these pearl clutching christians
Don't fuck them they don't deserve to breed
Anyone ever see that diagram showing (biblically) how many people were killed in cold blood by God as compared to satan?
Here's the article I remember on this.
"it's totally normal and okay to have doubts!*"
I grew up same as you, and started asking same questions, but overall just couldn't bear acting that I cared about that much. Now I cannot tell my family that I do not care about god anymore because they would most likely spend weeks praying for me, calling pastor over to talk to me and getting demons out of my body
Also in the same breathe from Christians - " Why so many people who we hate are leaving our towns, instead of staying in our towns where we hate them?"
I mean islam is the fastest growing religion, and they dont like gays or women either. As it turns out, hating people is something most humans love to do. Doesnt matter who as long as there is a book to validate them.
I support Satan because he seems fun. One of the seven deadly sins is sloth. I’m a lazy, useless person so of course I’m going to be against the person who won’t let me be lazy.
I'm not disagreeing with you. But for what it's worth, the seven deadly sins are not at all Biblical. They're more recently historical. But I doubt even most Christians know that.
I posit that Satan was the good guy. Old boy never killed anyone without direct permission or at the direction of god and gave us knowledge when god was content to leave us stupid, servile and naked.
Let's be completely honest. If one reads the old testament, one gets the impression that God is a controlling narcissist and the devil is a pretty chill guy who just wants to help out. And every one of the "deadly sins" is going to be a good time. except wrath, fuck that guy.
I assume the first level is where you wanna be. Booze is flowing, live music is amazing, like a way less stupid version of New Vegas. Heaven is probably non-stop mass and the only coffee is instant.
There's a fantastic anime called Hyouka which actually has a pretty mature conversation about the seven deadly sins. Even if you're religious, you're not going to avoid them, and they're fine in moderation.
Sloth is not about being lazy, it is about being perfectly capable from preventing an evil from happening but deliberately choosing to do nothing.
Satan accepts all as they are, men and women, gay and straight, Christian and atheist, He treats them all equally. Damn SWJ.
The funny thing is that I have yet to see a Christian who can provide any argument for why being gay is wrong outside of "God doesn't like it."
Satanism is actually a great religion. I’d be a satanist if I wasn’t a materialist
There's a huge difference in theistic Satanism and atheistic Satanism. Both groups celebrate bodily autonomy and, for lack of a better term, some level of hedonism, but one actually worships Satan as a deity, and performs rituals to that end.
The church of satan is fucking nuts. The satanic temple are nice people, but it’s not really a religion.
Some else on Twitter was talking that the people freaking out over this Satanic panic stuff don’t actually seem to have read scripture and know what Satan actually does. He’s not some Evil Nega-God who levels up and takes over the world if he gets enough Prayer Points.
In the Bible, Satan is basically a Twitter troll, a really good Twitter troll, but still a Twitter troll.
The teens of today are growing up in a world where they have access to so much information and are super aware of issues like lgbtq rights, me too movement, BLM movement, consent, etc... These kids are the future we’ve been waiting for. IMO
Modern Satanism is about inclusivity and self worth, doesn't help the Church's case either
Love that they're pretending that Lil Nas X invented worshipping Satan like heavy metal didn't beat him to the punch before Reagan was president. Like music praising Satan are oldies now... That beat slaps though.
They had a moral panic about that too.
I wonder if people would still be offended by Coven or Black Sabbath today or if nobody would care because a) boomers grew up with that music and b) people just expect metal bands to do that as part of their shtick now
The same people who fear mongering about Sharia Law will use their faith to try to justify controlling the bodies of women and LGBTQ+ members. They do so with no self awareness. Hypocrites I believe is the term.
Christianity: The belief that God sacrificed God to God, to save God's creation from God.
God was playing Calvinball the whole time. Making up rules as he goes.
I see you watch Bill Maher.
And remember, all the thousands of gods that came before him just magically ceased to exist.
And ofcourse the cool ones ceased to exist! Fml
Well given that God is responsible for plagues, floods, sacrificing of first borns and what not, while Satan does the whole heavy metal and orgies shit, who do you think teens would pick 😂
yeah, I'm going to go with the dude that lets me play D&D with my homies.
if you are gonna be burned in hell for all eternity, are you gonna worship the one condemning you, or the the one who is running the place? better get a good relationship going early.
I'm just happy that I'll meet Michael Jackson.
"You better pray to god for forgiveness so god can save you from what god will do to you if you don't!"
"You're going to hell for being gay!"
NGL Satan cool as fuck
we Stan the Sa-Tan
The Satanic Temple welcomes you no matter if you're straight, gay, asexual or anything else. Welcome one, welcome all.
I am not gay, but I am curious. Why are they morons?
I’m a Bi ex-Christian and I wouldn’t be as direct with my words but I see what you mean. The idea that the Bible isn’t homophobic is just a recent PR/propaganda campaign, it comes from a long, long shot possibility of mistranslation of one of the many homophobic verses of the Bible. I just resort to Occam’s razor with it: what makes more sense, that all of these verses with several different phrasings and from two different source languages and at least four different authors were all miraculously mistranslated in the exact same way or that desert tribes from 2000 years ago were homophobic and it showed it their literature? It’s a no-brainer. To me, that book is hate-speech about me and my fellow LGBT’s but if someone needs to cling to a tradition they were born into for comfort then I’m not going to get confrontational about it. I guess you can’t be religious without being at least a little bit cognitively dissonant about your faith anyways, so this isn’t really any different than your average Christian Joe when you really think about it.
The amount of Christians thinking that the Church of Satan has anything to do with the literal worship of or even belief in the existence of the Devil is pretty damning (kek) proof that their various forms of hate are based on completely superficial parameters, and that they never bother doing even 5 minutes of research on things that are unfamiliar to them. Explains how so many of them claim to be Christians and attend church for years without ever actually reading the Bible to completion, also
To be fair, they didn't exactly choose the most clear of names...
Look at one of the replies to you, lol. They will convince themselves that they are worshiping "the devil" no matter how much evidence you present to them. Despite the fact that Satanists are actually atheist.
"Hail"... "Hail Satan"...
I choose Satan over God because Satan is a cool guy. Apparently he's just gorgeous, so there's that. And I don't recall Satan genociding entire cities worth of people and flood the entire planet. Also, I don't think it was Satan that decided a creation wasn't perfect until it had flesh-eating bacteria and childhood cancers in it.
Kind of wish the church felt like raping deaf kids was disgusting instead of two adult men loving each other
"All we did was tell them they were going to Hell forever! Why would they suddenly dislike us and try to get in good with the guy that runs it? Kids just don't make sense!"
Religion started when the first con man met the first fool.
yo god is fake and people who care about gay people because it’s “unnatural” should all go fuck themselves because what about human life is even natural nowadays. All you “it’s not natural” conservatives think the world is 6000 years old and that we coexisted with dinosaurs. You wanna talk about natural? Jacking off, Melania Trump’s plastic body, turtles choking on straws. What’s more natural than that?
I’m not from the US, but I am Catholic, and I imagine being American is a lot like being Catholic right now. You don’t want to leave, but you sure are embarrassed about some of the decisions the guys in power are making.
After realizing im gay i stepped away from Christianity for the most part. Bible tells me god made me the way i am on purpose, he doesnt make mistakes. Then it also tells me im going to be tortured for eternity for being the way he made me. Just seems sadistic. If gonna go to he for something like trimming my beard and wearing two differebt types of clothe u might as well live life my way.
Imagine thinking satanists worship satan
I mean some do. It's the Church of Satan that doesn't.
Religion is either a truly wonderful tool to bring people together in the name of love and unity or it is used as a weapon to divide and judge people upon a bastardized book that can and has been rewritten God knows how many times.
I love how hated satan is in the us, while he represents everything you want to stand for, personal freedom, authority of your own life.
Any Christian who says that God hates gays, or that God will send them to hell is uneducated in their own religion
It always frustrates me when Christians will see posts like this and argue “it’s only extremists!” or “most of us aren’t like that!”
I have no idea why anyone would worship the abrahamic God he’s nothing but a spiteful man baby that throws tantrums over the dumbest of shit
SATAN. 👏 DID. 👏 NOTHING. 👏 WRONG. 👏
Lol but the God of the bible does in fact NOT love everyone.
This is part of the problem. God very pointedly as explained in the bible doesn't hate any people. But God's super-fans sure do and they're the loudest, biggest assholes on the planet.
Except for all the people he said he hated and need to be killed.
Exact same shit with Islam tbh
Ask a Christian to name one thing that Satan did in the Bible that was truly evil. They won't be able to, because it doesn't exist. Then mention to them how God wiped out an entire town for being gay. How God killed all the first born CHILDREN in Egypt. How God killed EVERYONE ON THE PLANET IN A FLOOD. How God ordered military invasions that killed THOUSANDS of men simply because they didn't worship HIM. Then remind them that there are no recorded incidents of Satan committing ANY atrocities in the Bible. In fact, the ONLY deaths that could be attributed to Satan were ALLOWED TO HAPPEN BY GOD BECAUSE OF A BET!! So tell me, who's REALLY the evil one?
God also made Pharoh keep Moses and the Jewish people in enslavement, which not a lot of people seem to know. There's a whole additional "dont do the crime if you cant do the time" lesson to the passover story: the plagues happen to pharaoh so that he can learn to act altruistically instead of acting in fear of god.
I hate that so many bigots are using god as an excuse to be so hateful to their fellow man. It makes me feel embarrassed to be a Christian, but eh, I’m not gonna quit my relationship with god just because someone is using his name in vain.
It’s sad that a lot of people replying to you are disrespectful. There are so many good Christians out there but unfortunately there are loud Christians who are bigots and hypocrites — such as politicians, child molesters, and questionable televangelists. Please continue speaking out against them because they are causing harm to the church. I also think many Redditors need to know there are Christian denominations and congregations who teach the message of love and are accepting of LGBT people.
What’s worse is that in one of the most known and common bible verses is the 10 commandments and one of them is to love your neighbour which basically means that you should love everyone. If you hate people for things they can’t control then you’re an objectively wrong Christian
These open-letter twitter "gotchyas", addressed to no one specifically, by people who agree with everyone here on the sub, really isn't
This sub is full of ironic but not LAMF posts. Maybe we need a new subreddit for that..
god is a weak incompetent asshole! Just think of how far humanity could have achieved without this non real fake nazi jerk of a god!
I’ve really been thinking on this point for a while now. Imagine all the money given to churches and religion in general since it was a thing. Now imagine it all being put towards the betterment of humanity. Who knows what we could have achieved.
Catholics: "But that's half the fun!"
Catholic priests: "why are you grinding on satan when im right here????"
Christianity is a cult. No other way to spin it.
If you're gonna burn in hell anyway, you might as well get chummy with the fella.
God loves everybody! He just doesn't believe you should have the right to live a good life and you should suffer eternal torture when you die.
God doesn’t hate gay people. Religious bigots hate gay people.
God doesn’t exist to hate anyone. Bigots wrote god that portray their bigotry.
I think it's mostly atheists who are "worshipping" Satan in the same way that The Satanic Temple does - trolling the Christians. And I'm here for it.
Satan loves everyone, equally. God on the other side has committed genocide against humanity and kills those he hates.
Sadly, a lot of LGBTQ folks continue to worship a god that hates them and a religion that says they deserve to suffer for eternity because of who they are. It's just so damn sad, the power of indoctrination can be so strong.
Obviously they need to beg for forgiveness and just stop being gay
Religion isn't designed for people with common sense.
Need to put Christians in quotations there as the typical Bible belt Christian is any thing but.
if all these uptight people are in heaven I’d rather be in hell where the fun people are
of all the facts fundamentalist christians conveniently ignore, my favorite is that satanists don't actually believe in a literal satan, only christians do. And that most satanists belief system is basically live and let live, chill and be chill. It's like a better thought out, more universal and concise form of the ten commandments, but more focused on human rights and protecting people, and without the petty shit where god says "u better not cheat on me bitch". what kind of trashy-ass toxic boyfriend god says this?? instead of a god that tells you you're sinful disgusting trash and then promises to love you endlessly anyway even though you're dogshit and aren't you grateful he even loves a piece of garbage like you?? doesn't that make you want to give him all the credit for the good stuff and no responsibility for the bad stuff?? (<---textbook abuser shit) I prefer a belief system that's more just like 'eh you're cool, i'm cool, we're all cool, shit's crazy out here, but whatever let's try to be good.'
Imagine being so gullible you think God is a real thing lmaoooo
I can’t believe how the message of the video has gone over so many peoples heads... the message of the video is that Lil Nas isn’t scared to go to hell if it means that he can accept his true self and not hide his sexuality.
I venture they’re not surprised by satan worshipping but by the LGBTQ community having a platform and political weight.
Did you forget all the mass genocide he has done? Or his special place where he sends anyone who disagrees with him?
I mean fuck all religion not just Christianity. Anyone who believes in an invisible boogey man who watches everything you do in this day and age with all of our technology and science advancements are just pure Neanderthals